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I will not be subjected to criminal abuse

Journal Entry: Thu May 9, 2013, 12:25 AM





Its time for another story, do you guys want a story? I will give you one. This one is about my early days in the work industry and how you should always becareful and know your legal rights before you head in, you do not want to be subjected to criminal abuse without knowing.  This happened a few years back, straight out of Design College, when I was still an 'Amateur Graphic Designer' as they like to call me. So I was searching online for jobs and found one that requires a Graphic Designer with artistic skills who can create original characters as well as making little icons and graphics stuff. I was like HELL YEAH THATS ME, so I sent them my portfolio, back then it had really unprofessional messy drawings and then a few graphic design works and photography bullshit pieces that I threw in here and there to show my 'range', I didn't have a consistant style and I had no idea what people wanted to see lol. So the company saw my work and they told me to come in. I was really happy!

So I turned up to what appears to be a private clinic, its quite small too, with like 4 or 5 rooms only. I was supposed to meet the boss, lets just call him Dr G (I don't wanna throw in his real name as his website is still active, but it has shit all on it, more about that later). But instead of the boss, I had to see his wife instead because he was busy with doctor things, I mean he was there walking around and can hear our conversation but too busy to see me, ok thats understandable. So the wife explained to me what was needed, their main job is doing x-ray and medical stuff for people, but they are starting something online thats gonna apparently 'change the way the internet system works', their words not mine. The wife even went as far as to say the graphic designers of Google are now so rich and famous because Google is big, and that if I work for Dr G then I can be rich and famous just like the google artists. I didn't believe a word she said because the claim is WAYYY too big. But a small part of me wanted to believe, and a big part of me just wanted to get any work to get some money flowing in. She started asking me about my family and whether I am a permanent resident there, asked if I have a girlfriend, whether I am living at home, how long I have been to Australia, a lot of questions about my background as opposed to about what I can do for the company, very odd. The wife then tells me I will be put on a trial period first to test if I have the capability to do the work (Eventhough I showed her my whole freakin portfolio but ok). Now all these time there was NOT A SINGLE MENTION about the money, I was waiting for when she would tell me how much I am getting paid, but since she's the wife I wasn't sure if it was appropriate to ask cos technically she didn't work there... or did she? (I still have no idea to be honest) she's just the wife of the boss. So I didn't ask any further, I didn't wanna be rude, I was told to come in the next day to start my trial. Perhaps I can talk to Dr G about my pay the next day?

I went to work at 9am in the morning. Finally sat down with Dr G, he looks like he's in his 40s, a Caucasian fella with a bit of scruffy beard. He showed me around a bit, introducing me to other 'workers' there, its very interesting that all the workers there are asian teens around my age, I also used the term 'workers' very lightly because tbh I ain't sure if they are getting paid, but more on that later. He explained to me what I had to do for the day, THE WHOLE DAY is a trial to see if I have the ability to draw the characters to make their online system thing attractive. He then gave me instructions on what I had to do, I still haven't asked about the pay yet.. as it was a day of trial so it wasn't official work so I shouldn't be asking right? As I was doing my trial.. I came to realise.. 'Wait a minute, this ain't a trial! I am already doing work for them! The stuff I am drawing right now is part of their internet system project so how on earth is this considered a trial?'. Things were starting to get suspicious, as I was doing my work, Dr G would come in once in a while to see how I am doing and whenever I try to ask him something he would act all busy and GTFO of there. By the end of the day I was tired as hell sitting in that awful boring room all by myself drawing, I wanted to ask Dr G about how I did but his wife showed up and told me Dr G has a meeting so he will see how I did for the day tomorrow... RIGHT! So I have to show up again tomorrow then?

The next day I showed up and Dr G told me I did great, and I was thinking 'HURRAY! So Im getting the job right? NOW can we talk about my pay?' and he says "OK well done, but now we must see how good you are with making icons for our website :)" ....EXCUSE ME? The trial isn't finished? I was about to ask him about the pay and he once again says he's really busy and has to go out a bit. Leaving me there alone in the room to work on more drawings, during lunch I sat with the chinese workers there. They all look like they just got out of high school, and they all have something in common.. they are all overseas students who didn't speak much english, but they are good at what they do, like programming and doing all the computer stuff. I then started thinking more about the situation with my Sherlock Holmes deduction abilities. Why did Dr G pick me? Is it because of my art skils? Is it because I am Asian? But why Asian? Well somtimes the answer to many questions all comes down to one thing, Money. And with that answer in mind, everything started to make sense. I am being taken advantage of. I returned back to the office and continued to do my work, Dr G appeared once again to see where I am in my so called 'trial'. Before he had a chance to flee I quickly asked boldly 'Hey Dr G! I was just wondering, am I getting paid for this?' and I could see the horror in his eyes, he realised I have figured it out, I have figured out his master plan, he paused for a little bit and smiled, he tells me to wait while he talks it over with his wife. I waited, while I was waiting I also thought about what I would say in every different scenarios. I also did some quick internet research on legal rights of working people Australia, apparently even if it is a trial, it is illegal to NOT pay the potential worker anything if the work they are doing is official work, minimum of $20 per hour is the legal requirement. So anyway Dr G came back and smiled, he says he has talked it over with his wife and they are quite happy to pay me HALF the salary. I was like 'Err... excuse me? Half? I'm not sure if thats legal, sir.' and he panicked. He must've been shocked to see this Asian boy's knowledge of Australian laws, well thats cause this Asian boy isn't fresh out of China you silly man, I have lived in this country for 18 years ok? The smile from Dr G's face disappeared and his attitude changed, he then says 'Fine, I will give you $20 an hour. So start working hard.', he also said one thing that made me worry for the other chinese workers there, he told me 'Oh also, don't tell the other boys that I am paying you'. and I was like omg... I don't think Dr G are paying the chinese workers, or if he is, he isn't paying the legal rate at all... Is that why Dr G deliberately picked Asian overseas students as workers?? So they are just happy with low pay cos its still better than China? Or the fact that their english is so bad that they can't express and argue their legal rights to Dr G? Well whatever it is, Dr G messed with the wrong Asian boy this time! For the rest of the day he pops in once in a while, but that fake smile was not there on his face no more.

Its Friday and I really didn't want to go back to that cheapskate's clinic no more, but I had to show up for one final day. To get my well deserved pay. But I had to put on an act, I had to act like after getting the money I am still happy to work there, otherwise Dr G could just not give me money so I would keep coming back and coming back.. this guy is tricky and I gota becareful. So for the whole day I put on a smile and acted polite and happy. I can tell Dr G knows I know exactly what is going on in the clinic. The whole taking advantage of Asian workers who don't know the Australian law, to the whole trial bullshit to get some free labor out of them. Yeah I know his game, and he knows I know it too. I think one time he was trying to be smart and on his hand was this gadget thing that he played with in front of me, he told me he bought it cheap in an Asian computer store, he then asked me 'Don't you think its interesting that something so advanced can be bought for so cheap?'. I didn't answer him, I knew exactly what the son of the bitch is trying to say. He then asked again 'Don't you think so Ry?' and I replied him 'Yeah.', but in my mind I was thinking 'Yeah, and isn't it interesting that its all made from China?'. but I ain't gonna play mind games with him.. I can't risk it. I had to get my money and run... I mean he didn't even write down the hours I worked there.. but have no fear because I wrote it down myself, there was absolutely NO RECORD of my existence in the work place, he could literally not pay me and deny knowing me and I would have no evidence to support myself. The day is coming to an end and he was about to leave, so I grabbed him and I asked if I can have my pay right now as I needed the money for the weekend. He paused for a bit and smiled, I told him how many hours I worked, I even did the calculations for him so he wouldn't try to take a few hours off >.<' He saw the figures and took out his wallet and paid me in cash (Not through bank transfer? Not gonna leave any records are we Dr G?). He tells me he will see me again on monday and I said yes sure! But in reality I have made a decision to not show up ever again, I cannot work in a place where the boss is so manipulative and untrustworthy. I didn't show up on monday, he called me to see where I am and I told him I had an interview with another job, I mean why not? After all, working for Dr G was just a trial right? ;)

I didn't tell the chinese workers anything about this, I am not Robinhood ok? *sigh* Today I did a quick google search on how this 'Change the way the internet system works'' website is going, the page didn't look any different to how it looked a few years ago! It has shit all on it, with a crappy logo and has little to no information about what they do. I mean I even MADE them a logo while I worked tehre, but they must be lazy as hell to replace it with mine. Or maybe Dr G has a bitter experience with me cos he felt that I just took his money and ran. Whatever it is, I am glad I didn't stay at that company, so to anyone reading this, please becareful of who you work for, just because a company has a table and computer and room for you to work in doesn't mean the boss won't try to rip you off. Know your legal rights and do not be subjected to criminal abuse. Ry-Spirit cares.

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Sk8rcat640 Featured By Owner May 20, 2015   Artist
That's terrible.
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Iyasha Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Woah. Thanks for letting us know, that company is shits scary.
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danx505 Featured By Owner May 18, 2013  Hobbyist
But you are Robinhood, did you not warn us? ;)
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Andi1990 Featured By Owner May 16, 2013  Student Filmographer
Jesus, that is fucked up. Sadly, that happens a lot in the creative industry - people think they can take advantage of you if you are young or seem like you are foreign. I actually got "work" with a company that claimed that if I do work for them I "may" have it shown on TV. No mention of any pay, just that the images could be used on television. Could.

Internships are even worse. It's actually illegal to not pay someone for an internship and yet so many people offering internships refuse to pay people. Also, commissions are another source of bullshit as so many people will say to you "Oh, do this thing for me and that will give you experience". Yeah, "experience" - that'll pay the bills while they get to make a huge profit from your work. Not to mention that they'll outright lie about what they are able to pay you for a commission. Bastards.

What you faced was worse because not only did they take advantage of your age, but that was outright racism. This guy sounds like a con-man, pure and simple. Thanks for the post, man.
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georgewjohnson Featured By Owner May 14, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
A really good read, thanks for sharing. There's always some freaking scumbag ready to take us for a ride, like the old saying goes, "If it sounds too good to be true, it is!".
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Zanderax1127 Featured By Owner May 14, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
no! im surronded, FALL BACK!
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AGLtaria Featured By Owner May 13, 2013  Student Digital Artist
DDDDDDDD:

I'm Asian, I live in Australia, doesn't mean I'm totally stupid when it comes to work laws! I feel sorry for you.
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MasterSaruwatari Featured By Owner May 13, 2013  Student Writer
this was very interesting....What an asshole.
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I-am-a-fish Featured By Owner May 13, 2013  Professional Filmographer
It's funny, since I am looking for an industry job right now and I've gotten a couple of small-time offers where, in the e-mail, it says "payment (TBA)"
Sounds funny to me that's for sure, so I laughed and said "Hell Naw" to their offer, because really, that sounds pretty shady to me, and in school we were taught about stuff like that.
But in all seriousness, that is a horrible thing to happen, and the sad part is, is that it happens way too often and it really needs to stop.
Good on you for outsmarting that guy, I really hope he doesn't get anywhere after this.
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Theflyingfish20 Featured By Owner May 12, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Maybe you should report the company
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Lost-N-Beauty Featured By Owner May 12, 2013
The same law in the US. Can't have workers do a trial. The law is there because too many companies would use people for trials and get rid of them once the trial was over, so they dont have to pay. The chinese workers may have given him a free trial but just because they don't know the laws doesn't mean they would stay long for free. I am sure they eventually started getting pay..... but not as much as they probably should have gotten. Its terrible.
I worked for a store and we had a union but that did not stop the bosses from treating the teens in what I thought was an abusive manner. I remember one kid complaining to me because the boss made him use a tooth brush on the bathroom floor because he didn't clean it well enough the first time... a customer complained that it was dirty.
The problem was not how the kid did it. The floor was OLD and needed to be replaced so no matter how you cleaned it, it still looked like shit.
The kid was upset and I told him he didnt have to put up with that. I told him to go to our union rep, he said they would not help. So I took the kid to the rep and reminded the rep that the kid pays dues just like everyone else. Needless to say, the kid got treated better, but the boss was not happy with me lol.
But employers often treat teens or the younger employees badly, because the younger workers don't know their rights. Lucky for you, you realized something was not right.
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1DeViLiShDuDe Featured By Owner May 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'd bet a days wages the BBB or similar would show genuine interest in an anonymous tip affecting the reclamation of taxes owed to the local government by a business, along with an establishment such as the ACLU to submit a class action lawsuit to the civil court system to serve recompense to the previous employee's for actual hours worked at that business! :D
And I'm not a gambling man! :|
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MillenniumFalsehood Featured By Owner May 12, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Wow, that is a scary story. I'm white, so I don't think I know much about being taken advantage of, but then again I'm a nerd so perhaps I do. In any case, glad you were able to see a way out of it and get what you deserved for your work. :)
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kishi-san Featured By Owner May 11, 2013   Filmographer
whoa that is one crazy story...
i'm an asian living in australia too, not sure if this'll ever happen to me but at least i know what to look out for.
thanks for sharing Ry ;D
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Ry-Spirit Featured By Owner May 11, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
well im sure most companies aint bad.. i just came across some bad ones. ^^" usually people aint racist its ok
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kishi-san Featured By Owner May 12, 2013   Filmographer
guess most of them are pretty legit.
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callmebocchan Featured By Owner May 11, 2013
I like that the title is a quote from Cloud Atlas. Very nice.
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Ry-Spirit Featured By Owner May 11, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
ur the 3rd person to notice!
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callmebocchan Featured By Owner May 13, 2013
in ALL those comments only 3? that's mildly disappointing
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Sleepy17 Featured By Owner May 10, 2013   Traditional Artist
This is a very informative entry for all workers in general. Directly to my :+fav: list, and off to show it to friends.
Thank you for writing it =0
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LunarMew Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Have you watched this video? It's not spam or some bad link, don't worry. XD [link]

It's called, "Fuck You. Pay Me." By Mike Monteiro. Pretty much the same thing you were talking about, except it goes more into detail on how to approach crap like this.
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LunarMew Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Note to self: Never take a job that is offered because of a strong portfolio, yet requires you to do a "trial period" to get the job "fully". It reminds me of those online contests companies do to get free work without paying the winner. XD
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Misha321 Featured By Owner May 10, 2013
Wow, you were badass there! If it was me, I probably would have just left without demanding any money. At least you learned something from it.
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Cera-L-Hendry Featured By Owner May 10, 2013   General Artist
It's amazing what we learn over the years and how naive we seem at first. :)

Another problem I find with Australian workplaces and the design industry, is what 'award' we fall under. Too many times do I see adverts for jobs saying "RECEPTIONIST - Must be able to use Photoshop and other design programs for small amounts of design work." Yup, so what you're saying is you want a designer, who's naive enough to be paid under a 'receptionist' award.

I also had an experience with a 'school newsletter' company advertising for a GRAPHIC DESIGNER. They really needed to look up the definition of that, because after a 3hr interview and doing some samples for them, they said it was technically a 'desktop publishing' job, and I had to chase up all 12 advertisers of each of the 10 school newsletters assigned to me every week and sell our concept to them and manage their ads. Limited creativity involved, and I'd be paid a 'desktop publishing' wage. How about GTFO? D: Waste of my damn time.

They really play it on us designers sometimes... Exactly where we fit in the scheme of which aware we're paid under.
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TheSandvich Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Do you plan to pursue legal action? Just asking... [link]
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Ry-Spirit Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
nah its tooo long time ago, and i know its a common thing.. so not sure if the police wil do anything about it
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ikibathewolf Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wow.... id just quit the job , and go for another trying to work at Nintendo or something as a graphics artist
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augochlorella Featured By Owner May 10, 2013
Holy butts. Good on you for being perceptive and getting out of there.

People who take advantage of immigrants are worth less than dirt.
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Poki-art Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
you should have contacted the police/government, that is what i think.
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AgonizingSwordfish Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Wow, that's pretty crazy!
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monotsleigh Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
One more thing....if this was the UK then the paying you in cash is illegal. But yeah, good for you for one-upping this dude! I'm definetly gonna look up rights in the work place now for the UK!
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GuzuGuzu32 Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Professional General Artist
The payment for services rendered should always be discussed up front on the first interview. Whether doing freelance work or taking a job up front you should know what your wages are. If any employer tells you, you can start working that day, he/she should have already discussed your salary, the hours you would be working, and how you keep track of your time, whether you have to write it down or punch in on a time clock. What this man is doing is cruel, probably illegal, but not unusual. He has the advantage of having workers who may not be familiar with the protocols of the company they work for. Unfortunately there is alot of this. A person takes a job and they are unwittingly taking a job for slave labor. Just yesterday there was a protest, seasonal workers who were mostly Hispanic were protesting for human rights. They work on tobacco farms during the spring and summer, and the crops I imagine are owned by individual farmers. Picking tobacco is still done by hand and very labor intensive. It is easy to see how human rights violation could easily come up. The Hispanic population is very prominent here, and people need work. So people will take advantage of those who are in need. As you wrote if these young workers don't speak the language, they may not know what to ask, or what is appropriate. This goes for anyone. I was told that I wanted to teach ESL overseas it was better that I had a personal contact, instead of going through an agency because there are many that will not honor their contracts once you arrive at your destination to teach. You become trapped in a job you did not sign up for and feel hapless to do anything about it because you are under the rules and protocols of government you are not familiar with. As for getting in trouble, you don't have to worry about that, in situations involving labor rights violations, callers are usually anonymous. This is an unfortunate experience for anyone to have to go through. Best of Luck
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PineRain Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I like how you outsmarted Dr. G. :D
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PineRain Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Wow, what a crazy story. I feel kinda bad for the other workers, though I don't see how you could've warned them.
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Maybeawriter Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I find it amazing that something like this can go on, especially with people never finding out. The fact that there are such devious minds out there doing this to people is disgusting.
I wonder if there's a similar law in the United States? Hmm...
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hnkmr Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Whoah, that parallels the time when this guy from tumblr wanted me to illustrate some sort of children's book but ended up asking me extensive questions about my ethnic background and my family life. Creeps!
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KeeCarroll Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I've heard similar horror stories in the game industry as well. People will use everyone where they can, when they can. It's so wrong.
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Annachuu Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Hobbyist
I just came here to comment how much I like your title's reference hehehehehe
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Ry-Spirit Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
glad someone noticed XP
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Annachuu Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Hobbyist
You mean no one else did? /le gasp!
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ScreampunkMedia Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Professional General Artist
A similar thing happened at my last job - I got given a "trial period" and had all the responsibilities of a full employee, and they said it paid minimum wage. After three weeks I only got 25 out of it, which I had to ask about, and when I finally started doing a good job (it was door canvassing and with me having major social anxiety it took a while to get used to it), my supervisor told me I was being let go. So they got free labour and I got enough to cover my food for a fortnight.
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Ry-Spirit Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
:( aiyo u poor thing. wat a bunch of bastards!
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REMUSJOHN Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
WOOHOO!!! AWESOME!!!
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kaiozus Featured By Owner May 9, 2013  Student Digital Artist
That is an awesome story, Ry \o/
It's really bad that this actually happened, and still happens to other people D:
I'll have to take care when I start working :3

Btw, You tell stories in an awesome way *O* would you tell me a story while I'm in bed one day? -wut heuehehue just kidding... I'm sorry OTL

Thanks for letting us know about this. :hug:
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Ry-Spirit Featured By Owner May 9, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
hehe thanks. i shall continue to write interesting stories i promise
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C0CHI Featured By Owner May 9, 2013
"well thats cause this Asian boy isn't fresh out of China you silly man, I have lived in this country for 18 years ok?" MAN! i laughed so hard! Here in Argentina there are a few places that make this sucky things. Especially with foreign personel. Anyways here lots of areas have their own sindicate, so the workers rights have to be respected by law. When they are not respected (even if it is in the law you know lot of people don't want to respect them) you can report them....and believe me they can't go away so easly after the justice is controlling their activity.

I personally hate what they did (an surelly are doing) with the chinese workers. In fact, i would make an "anonymous report" detailing the company situation, so that way the justice could check the place and make the guy and his wife pay (i don't know how to call the term in english so i made "anonymous report" up. Basically i'm trying to say when you make a report but don't want the company to know who made it, for protection issues mostly.) Sorry for my english.
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Ry-Spirit Featured By Owner May 9, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
hehe thanks. but yeah i understand, only problem is if i reported it straight after i quit. its pretty obvious its me TvT" and Dr G has all my details... i was a nobody back then, i was afraid to do anything, he couldve burned me.. i was just glad i got my money and left :(
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ChrisMcQuinlan Featured By Owner May 9, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Seen and heard and even experienced this happen one too many times... if youve got a strong portfolio theres certainly no need to go through 'trial periods' at least if its 'non-paid'
although, i was unaware that there is actually a law against not paying someone during a trial... good to know!
Glad to hear you high-tailed it outta that place. its disgusting how people want to take advantage of people like this.
I had one guy try to hire my and invoice me to my ABN but only pay me $15 p/hour. meaning no benefits. no annual leave. no sick pay. AND i had to pay all my own taxes... for $15... i never returned.

People like this make me sick. and its worse now because they are using the 'dying economy' as a stinking excuse...

If i may ask... what do you do now days? are you freelancing? or working for tha man?
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Ry-Spirit Featured By Owner May 9, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
yeah gota be smart about this! im freelancing atm.
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ChrisMcQuinlan Featured By Owner May 9, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
aww lucky!
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